In reply to Tim's plea as seeing Jung as one of the most humane psychoanalytic thinkers, I would like to put forward D.W. Winnicott as competition for this title.
Joking aside, it was great to hear some different speculations on the archetypes, The Self and The Unconscious and to have them spoken of in relation and comparison to the thinking of Steiner, Barfield, Nietzsche, and Whitehead. Can't wait for Job.
Love Winnicott and think you're onto something there. I really was only making the comparison amongst those name-dropped - Freud, Lacan, Jung. I love Winnicott's "Home is Where We Start From" and absolutely agree he is a deeply humane thinker.
I haphazardly found my way to this episode right after listening to your discussion about Schelling's reading of the Timaeus (which btw, fantastic, and I loved the nuance cast on naivety).
The pairing couldn't have been more fortunate (or maybe it could have, I don't know) and some dots connected for me personally.
Still making my way through the episodes on Job (and sorry about your dog).
Each of your posts adds to the pile of books I want to read. Really need to also create a time machine or at least a time freeze with the quality of work you consistently create!
Ha! you kind of have an unfair advantage on that score… and, imagine a content creator marshaling the troops against one of his own subscriber! You’re a mess.
Matt, I just came for an education in philosophy, that’s all. You sparked the debate and you got what was coming. I clarified what I heard in your podcast… and offered another side of the issue. If you didn’t want a discussion, you shouldn’t make that type of comment, which was political and by the way, as I proved - wrongheaded.
As I said, over the years, I’ve held my tongue because all I wanted was to learn not to hear your political, and too often, incendiary ideas… And, undo? I don’t care. I feel like you got your due. And you can do whatever you want to try to rub out the consequences for instance, by getting your supporters to come to your defense. My God, is this really who you are?
In the end, if words of concern for all classes at hand are honest appearing of true intentions and not bullshit meant to veil something, this could be a useful chat. But you seem blind to your ridiculously out of order tone. This is a complex and heartbreaking mess that prolly would be best served by all the technicians of their pet certainties (on either side) to sit it out for a few so your chest thumping about what you have "proved" is a leper-bell ringing to me besides just shit manners from the face-plant-book scene which substack is a refuge from. Use you inside voice or fuck off dude.
Mathew seems like a decent joe and I am here for the Schelling-spill but I am certainly not any defensive follower. Just a passerby telling you you are fly hunting with some harsh vinegar there, Socrates.
What you don’t like is that I gave you a well-argued, factual presentation That goes to disputing your claim re: Jordan Peterson: that Young people — In your case minorities — should get their lives together before becoming socially involved … You don’t think they Can get their lives straightened out in the way he does because they never got an education… because they live in the ghetto and we’re never helped much… denied the skills and learning In the first place, so They could never get to the place of being socially involved. So he’s wrong is what yo…. And then you threw the political right and left words Around and tried to call it a day. I’m not gonna let you do that. I’m creating the context here…. I didn’t take Anything out of context, I took What you said and implied seriously. I tried showing you there’s another way to think about it from a standpoint of what these children have been given …it seems You think Minorities can’t live up to Jordan Peterson standards because they’ve been let down societally and I showed you that they have not been… It could be argued Our country has more than made up For the Underprivileged students Students today — Which would include racial minorities — Who’ve gone through the educational process today … Unfortunately, those communities have not been able To capitalize on what was given whether it was through educational funding or affirmative action… And it’s not for lack of money or people trying Matthew at least not people in the education arena… …Anybody Who’s been with you for any amount of time knows exactly what you think politically because you Cannot help yourself putting Your political views into your Educational Podcasts, even if it does interrupt the general flow of serious lesrning And create a potential framework for insults… That’s the additional context I’m creating in this conversation with you. … That’s how disrespectful you are to us… It’s just today I couldn’t hold my tongue. As I’ve held it for years with you Before our originally unsubscribed to your channels. Jordan Peterson is trying to help them in a way by showing them Education or not they can get their lives together. …by building on what’s been given to them — And I’ve shown you what they’ve been given … I never took you to task on your past political comments before which were consistent with what I understood From you today. Please unsubscribe me from every venue for which I am subscribed with you And your work. I wish you the best.
Strange. I re-read my last comment, which said "I defer to your accounting." Not sure how that led to your reply here. Anyway, best of luck to you; but I cannot unsubscribe you, you'll have to handle that yourself.
I am happy for others who read this exchange to determine on their own which of us is engaging in undue politicization.
If I have to listen to the way you reduce poor students to victims of a system, the next time I unsubscribe, I will not return. That is nothing but what I intend to do. Please refer to @ marker minute 28:45 ... I want to take umbrage with specific comment and suggestions you made today, and more largely, with how you sometimes distractingly inject politics into a lesson to which I come to learn about yours or other philosophical/metaphysical ideas and arguments... Re: The conversation today centered around socio-economic references and your comment "claw yourself out of there" referring to children from the "ghetto"... First off, your explanation did not make sense. It does not exempt anyone from the responsibility of knowing what she or he is talking about because someone is raised in the "ghetto" and maybe did not receive a proper education, which I will show you is a mistaken notion on your part. (BTW, a term teachers on the left abhor is "ghetto")..... As an educator for 30 years, I can tell you that one can give students everything in the world, even a sterling education, and and they still will think and do what they please. I taught and was an administrator in South Central Los Angeles for two decades ....was Title I Coordinator, so I managed all the (extra) millions of dollars our school received from those government funding sources (which have been around for decades) for underprivileged students at qualifying schools; I did this for 5 years, and those students in the "ghetto" received 100 times more educational opportunities than any students in regular schools (non-Title I school) anywhere in the US, or that I ever saw or knew about... Monies from the Title I program, alone -- and there are many other programs EL, SPED....etc...-- here are just a few budgetary examples from which students benefited educationally; we bought every year: 15-20 extra teaching positions/year (now about $200,000/teacher/year...) to reduce class sizes, the same on classroom aides, secretaries, thousands on extra books, as well on technology, computers by the roomfuls, ipads, printers, software programs, training from companies for all that, field trips, afterschool- and weekend tutoring, mentoring programs... Supplies: pencils, folders, crayons, markers, - endless supplies.... ... testing programs, a whole Parent Center replete with furniture, microwaves trainings, conferences, food for them and more ...etc...on security guards, breakfasts, dinners.... teacher trainings... conferences, substitutes.. Matthew, these are facts and figures that I find most white, college-educated people are more than UNaware of... like my friends your age who do not even know what Affirmative Action is..... how long it existed and its results... Many of the students you degradingly refer to as not educated... ARE educated, so stop it with your horrific insulting assumptions to them, taxpayers, teachers, parents and administrators. You are the one marginalizing their minds... You seemed to live in a privileged bubble sometime... These students can read and write and think... You should read some of their structured essays with rhetorical elements, etc... No and not just gifted students... regular and second language learners... All these students received multiple more opportunities than I or 95% of the people I know..Yes, that is right, Matthew... they received this funding all over the US... (but not all schools)... for decades...So, I will leave you to figure out (how you will do this is a mystery since virtue signaling and teaching in a bubble won't win you any friends) ...Maybe one day you will stop it with the spread of victimhood that is radicalizing our youth and producing nothing... ..having been raised poor and underprivileged hearing you speak like this gives me secondhand embarrassment. and the hibbie jibbies.. On top of it, your bringing up politics in your podcasts is your right, but understand, it can and will alienate your subscribers and listeners, like myself ,who come to you to learn and because you are a clear and engaging thinker, writer and teacher and... excellent disseminator and synthesizer of ideas, and an all-around great guy, but I cannot see how your mixture of politics with learning does not undercut your mission as an educator.
Thanks for your work as an educator. Before I respond to your claims here, let's first revisit what I said in the podcast above (cleaned up a bit):
"I shared a quote earlier today from "After the Catastrophe," where Jung says that 'an inner transformation is infinitely more important than political and social reforms, which are all valueless in the hands of people who are not at one with themselves.' And so [Jung's claim is that] unless individuals can take responsibility for their own growth and development and confront their own shadows, no political reform is going to resolve anything. And for people on the progressive left, their immediate response to that--and you know, it's partially my own sense--is like, well, there's another side to this which is that...the social arena is such that some people start out with lower socioeconomic status. And so for you to say to someone born in the ghetto, 'Well, claw yourself out of there.' We can do some political work to even the playing field a little bit, right?"
Now, I will continue to share my own feelings about political questions in my posts and podcasts whenever I think they are relevant. You are welcome to offer critical replies. Regardless, I think you've over-reacted a bit, since I'm clearly acknowledging that Jung has a point, while also offering what I take to be the progressive response to such statements, which, yes, I *partially* agree with. I'm trying to find a balanced view here .
To the point: You heard the word "ghetto" and immediately interpreted it in the context you clearly know well: education in a predominantly Black and Latino school district. Since Tim and I were in the midst of a discussion about Carl Jung, including the charge that he was anti-Semitic, you may not be surprised to hear that I was thinking of the original meaning of the term "ghetto," which comes from 16th century Venice, where the government decreed that Jews must live in a segregated area. The term literally means "slag," because the area the Jews were compelled to live was next to the foundry. Such "ghettos" sprung up across Europe over the subsequent centuries and were also a major feature of Nazi Germany's extermination project. So, my choice of words occurred to me in the context of a reply to Jung, who might not have been quite as one-sided in his statement if he considered the situation of a young Jewish child born into a ghetto. This situation is no fault of their own and would hardly change if they "became at one with themselves," and has more to do with the politics of Nazism.
Finally, to switch back to your context as an educator, it seems that your district was quite out of the ordinary. Studies have shown that in the US, school districts with higher numbers of Black, Latino, or Native American students receive approximately $1,800 less per student compared to districts educating the fewest students of color (https://soeonline.american.edu/blog/inequality-in-public-school-funding/).
Thank you for responding… I want to address the school expenditures first… I’m writing in this little box on my phone without my glasses …, so I apologize for any spelling or grammar errors.
When it comes to school funding, it is necessary to be on the same page… Talking about the same terms and categories.
First of all, please get your figures from government databases not blogs … I’m going to send you the link that I pulled My figures from… Please give me an hour or so.
Second of all, your figures I am positive come from expenditures taken from What is called “the General Fund” (So each year in late July, each school District will get a chunk of money for each student that comes to that school As a part of the general fund … It pays for everything teachers, the books everything … which is generated from local tax basis or from state tax basis… That’s the money that you were speaking about… It is not the money I was speaking about, Matthew!
On the other hand I’m speaking about the supplemental, funding—-. Categoriical Funding … Look it up —- you can find it on Wikipedia … Students who fall into certain categories receive this money. Some school districts like Los Angeles school District is a total Title I school district so all the students get the money. … These student Categories Include, for example 1- underprivilege (Title I) 2- English language learners (EL Fund) 3- special education (SPED), etc ….money set aside by Congress for those students to help them increase their Educational and life opportunities… To level the playing field … Monies that go to those groups of students ONLY unless the whole school Or the whole district is Title I … If so, then all the students get iThe benefit of the funds … but it’s all based on lunch applications. Yes, you heard it right lunch applications yes yes yes go back and read it. It’s hard to believe, but that’s what it’s based on. If your parents Don’t make enough money then you get free lunch and that’s how the money is all allocated, Yep, Yep, Yep … Every single one of those application have to be Filled out sign, and For each school to get the money for the upcoming year …
Categorical funding is It’s way more money than “the general fund”! Categorical funding comes from the 1965 US Secondary and Elementary Act… (I might have the dates wrong and it has been re-authorized many times) It funds nationally 49,000+ schools with $16 billion/year, NOT counting state title one funding.
Next , You’re speaking racially and politically ….I’m talking about underprivileged students who by the way can also be white. In fact, I come from Appalachia and I can tell you that is the most underrepresented unfair environment for those poor white kids up in the mountains who get nothing and have had the government and everyone turned their back on them … just to let you know… A hillbilly elegy I’m not talking about…
Educational funding should not be about race only but about underprivileged status,… Because when you put underprivileged status in there, whites fail At the same Levels and rates As other underprivileged students, regardless of the race. Did you actually know that, Matthew?
But if you want to talk numbers and race …According to the St. Louis Federal Reserves report On no child left behind … (I’m going to send you the link) who used government statistics black students get $14,385 per student while we get 14,263… They got the number from the The National Center for educational statistics.. That Disport SKUs towards the black student is probably due to our gigantic cities with its Greater proportional representation of the black population
The funding figures I gave for the black and white student would be radically raised in the black category when including categorical funding since blacks are overly represented in the underprivileged category … Those Funding numbers for black students would soar above what white students receive … Those funds of $16 billion go proportionally more to black students … Since they are more represented in the underprivileged classes… As well as the other categorical areas.
What you did today by sending me that information is exactly what the left media does constantly … They don’t know what they’re talking about Or they know what they’re talking about and they purposely take things out of context .,,,only report a little bit of the information or they slant the information or they do shabby research like you did … What gets me is that? The left is supposed to be Made up of the best so when the best start doing the worst, we are lost And may be even doomed … Honestly I expect this shoddy Behavior from the right not from the left… Overtime I saw I was getting nowhere With the left because the college educated liberal I’m a part had become more Willing to be brainwashed, I don’t know any other way to put it— Which is why I left the Democratic Party… Being a researcher and thinker and someone who teaches Young people you should never make this mistake again…. To tell me that that’s what my school is doing when every single school in Los Angeles Unified School District 600,000 students Received the same type of funding Was insulting … You didn’t even take the time to even look At the research…. I don’t even think you can believe the word I said… I remember you making Really outlandish comments during the pandemic that caused me to retract my subscription. I took that misjudgment As youthful indiscretion, but and now I can see you’ve Seem to Have gotten no better I’m sorry to say… …. Although I do appreciate the way that you respectfully answered me.
Wasnt Malcolm X who said the danger for the black man is Not the Conservative, but the liberal.
I can acknowledge that I did not do a deep dive on public school funding in the US, so I defer to your accounting here. But I guess I'm still wondering what your point is? I don't see how this is relevant to my comment in this podcast. You're taking what I said completely out of context and replacing it with your own projections about what you think I meant (despite my attempt to clarify above).
I actually agree with you that education funding should be based on income/class and not on race, since racial affirmative action seems to me to be rather insulting and racist in implication (and I don't just mean racist against whites, I mean racist against POC). On the other hand, there's a long history of racial discrimination in the US, including red lining, which has a large and enduring impact on the tax base for local public school funding. I think some level of federal funding to offset these historical injustices is a just thing to do. That doesn't mean poor white kids in Appalachia don't also deserve extra funding, too.
Great content again Matt, thanks for sharing.
In reply to Tim's plea as seeing Jung as one of the most humane psychoanalytic thinkers, I would like to put forward D.W. Winnicott as competition for this title.
Joking aside, it was great to hear some different speculations on the archetypes, The Self and The Unconscious and to have them spoken of in relation and comparison to the thinking of Steiner, Barfield, Nietzsche, and Whitehead. Can't wait for Job.
Love Winnicott and think you're onto something there. I really was only making the comparison amongst those name-dropped - Freud, Lacan, Jung. I love Winnicott's "Home is Where We Start From" and absolutely agree he is a deeply humane thinker.
Thank you, Graham!
I haphazardly found my way to this episode right after listening to your discussion about Schelling's reading of the Timaeus (which btw, fantastic, and I loved the nuance cast on naivety).
The pairing couldn't have been more fortunate (or maybe it could have, I don't know) and some dots connected for me personally.
Still making my way through the episodes on Job (and sorry about your dog).
Each of your posts adds to the pile of books I want to read. Really need to also create a time machine or at least a time freeze with the quality of work you consistently create!
Ha! you kind of have an unfair advantage on that score… and, imagine a content creator marshaling the troops against one of his own subscriber! You’re a mess.
Matt, I just came for an education in philosophy, that’s all. You sparked the debate and you got what was coming. I clarified what I heard in your podcast… and offered another side of the issue. If you didn’t want a discussion, you shouldn’t make that type of comment, which was political and by the way, as I proved - wrongheaded.
As I said, over the years, I’ve held my tongue because all I wanted was to learn not to hear your political, and too often, incendiary ideas… And, undo? I don’t care. I feel like you got your due. And you can do whatever you want to try to rub out the consequences for instance, by getting your supporters to come to your defense. My God, is this really who you are?
I’m obviously happy to have a discussion. I’ve even agreed with you several times. Not sure what’s got you so worked up!
Ease down, Ripley. You're grinding metal.
In the end, if words of concern for all classes at hand are honest appearing of true intentions and not bullshit meant to veil something, this could be a useful chat. But you seem blind to your ridiculously out of order tone. This is a complex and heartbreaking mess that prolly would be best served by all the technicians of their pet certainties (on either side) to sit it out for a few so your chest thumping about what you have "proved" is a leper-bell ringing to me besides just shit manners from the face-plant-book scene which substack is a refuge from. Use you inside voice or fuck off dude.
Mathew seems like a decent joe and I am here for the Schelling-spill but I am certainly not any defensive follower. Just a passerby telling you you are fly hunting with some harsh vinegar there, Socrates.
What you don’t like is that I gave you a well-argued, factual presentation That goes to disputing your claim re: Jordan Peterson: that Young people — In your case minorities — should get their lives together before becoming socially involved … You don’t think they Can get their lives straightened out in the way he does because they never got an education… because they live in the ghetto and we’re never helped much… denied the skills and learning In the first place, so They could never get to the place of being socially involved. So he’s wrong is what yo…. And then you threw the political right and left words Around and tried to call it a day. I’m not gonna let you do that. I’m creating the context here…. I didn’t take Anything out of context, I took What you said and implied seriously. I tried showing you there’s another way to think about it from a standpoint of what these children have been given …it seems You think Minorities can’t live up to Jordan Peterson standards because they’ve been let down societally and I showed you that they have not been… It could be argued Our country has more than made up For the Underprivileged students Students today — Which would include racial minorities — Who’ve gone through the educational process today … Unfortunately, those communities have not been able To capitalize on what was given whether it was through educational funding or affirmative action… And it’s not for lack of money or people trying Matthew at least not people in the education arena… …Anybody Who’s been with you for any amount of time knows exactly what you think politically because you Cannot help yourself putting Your political views into your Educational Podcasts, even if it does interrupt the general flow of serious lesrning And create a potential framework for insults… That’s the additional context I’m creating in this conversation with you. … That’s how disrespectful you are to us… It’s just today I couldn’t hold my tongue. As I’ve held it for years with you Before our originally unsubscribed to your channels. Jordan Peterson is trying to help them in a way by showing them Education or not they can get their lives together. …by building on what’s been given to them — And I’ve shown you what they’ve been given … I never took you to task on your past political comments before which were consistent with what I understood From you today. Please unsubscribe me from every venue for which I am subscribed with you And your work. I wish you the best.
Strange. I re-read my last comment, which said "I defer to your accounting." Not sure how that led to your reply here. Anyway, best of luck to you; but I cannot unsubscribe you, you'll have to handle that yourself.
I am happy for others who read this exchange to determine on their own which of us is engaging in undue politicization.
If I have to listen to the way you reduce poor students to victims of a system, the next time I unsubscribe, I will not return. That is nothing but what I intend to do. Please refer to @ marker minute 28:45 ... I want to take umbrage with specific comment and suggestions you made today, and more largely, with how you sometimes distractingly inject politics into a lesson to which I come to learn about yours or other philosophical/metaphysical ideas and arguments... Re: The conversation today centered around socio-economic references and your comment "claw yourself out of there" referring to children from the "ghetto"... First off, your explanation did not make sense. It does not exempt anyone from the responsibility of knowing what she or he is talking about because someone is raised in the "ghetto" and maybe did not receive a proper education, which I will show you is a mistaken notion on your part. (BTW, a term teachers on the left abhor is "ghetto")..... As an educator for 30 years, I can tell you that one can give students everything in the world, even a sterling education, and and they still will think and do what they please. I taught and was an administrator in South Central Los Angeles for two decades ....was Title I Coordinator, so I managed all the (extra) millions of dollars our school received from those government funding sources (which have been around for decades) for underprivileged students at qualifying schools; I did this for 5 years, and those students in the "ghetto" received 100 times more educational opportunities than any students in regular schools (non-Title I school) anywhere in the US, or that I ever saw or knew about... Monies from the Title I program, alone -- and there are many other programs EL, SPED....etc...-- here are just a few budgetary examples from which students benefited educationally; we bought every year: 15-20 extra teaching positions/year (now about $200,000/teacher/year...) to reduce class sizes, the same on classroom aides, secretaries, thousands on extra books, as well on technology, computers by the roomfuls, ipads, printers, software programs, training from companies for all that, field trips, afterschool- and weekend tutoring, mentoring programs... Supplies: pencils, folders, crayons, markers, - endless supplies.... ... testing programs, a whole Parent Center replete with furniture, microwaves trainings, conferences, food for them and more ...etc...on security guards, breakfasts, dinners.... teacher trainings... conferences, substitutes.. Matthew, these are facts and figures that I find most white, college-educated people are more than UNaware of... like my friends your age who do not even know what Affirmative Action is..... how long it existed and its results... Many of the students you degradingly refer to as not educated... ARE educated, so stop it with your horrific insulting assumptions to them, taxpayers, teachers, parents and administrators. You are the one marginalizing their minds... You seemed to live in a privileged bubble sometime... These students can read and write and think... You should read some of their structured essays with rhetorical elements, etc... No and not just gifted students... regular and second language learners... All these students received multiple more opportunities than I or 95% of the people I know..Yes, that is right, Matthew... they received this funding all over the US... (but not all schools)... for decades...So, I will leave you to figure out (how you will do this is a mystery since virtue signaling and teaching in a bubble won't win you any friends) ...Maybe one day you will stop it with the spread of victimhood that is radicalizing our youth and producing nothing... ..having been raised poor and underprivileged hearing you speak like this gives me secondhand embarrassment. and the hibbie jibbies.. On top of it, your bringing up politics in your podcasts is your right, but understand, it can and will alienate your subscribers and listeners, like myself ,who come to you to learn and because you are a clear and engaging thinker, writer and teacher and... excellent disseminator and synthesizer of ideas, and an all-around great guy, but I cannot see how your mixture of politics with learning does not undercut your mission as an educator.
Hi Carter,
Thanks for your work as an educator. Before I respond to your claims here, let's first revisit what I said in the podcast above (cleaned up a bit):
"I shared a quote earlier today from "After the Catastrophe," where Jung says that 'an inner transformation is infinitely more important than political and social reforms, which are all valueless in the hands of people who are not at one with themselves.' And so [Jung's claim is that] unless individuals can take responsibility for their own growth and development and confront their own shadows, no political reform is going to resolve anything. And for people on the progressive left, their immediate response to that--and you know, it's partially my own sense--is like, well, there's another side to this which is that...the social arena is such that some people start out with lower socioeconomic status. And so for you to say to someone born in the ghetto, 'Well, claw yourself out of there.' We can do some political work to even the playing field a little bit, right?"
Now, I will continue to share my own feelings about political questions in my posts and podcasts whenever I think they are relevant. You are welcome to offer critical replies. Regardless, I think you've over-reacted a bit, since I'm clearly acknowledging that Jung has a point, while also offering what I take to be the progressive response to such statements, which, yes, I *partially* agree with. I'm trying to find a balanced view here .
To the point: You heard the word "ghetto" and immediately interpreted it in the context you clearly know well: education in a predominantly Black and Latino school district. Since Tim and I were in the midst of a discussion about Carl Jung, including the charge that he was anti-Semitic, you may not be surprised to hear that I was thinking of the original meaning of the term "ghetto," which comes from 16th century Venice, where the government decreed that Jews must live in a segregated area. The term literally means "slag," because the area the Jews were compelled to live was next to the foundry. Such "ghettos" sprung up across Europe over the subsequent centuries and were also a major feature of Nazi Germany's extermination project. So, my choice of words occurred to me in the context of a reply to Jung, who might not have been quite as one-sided in his statement if he considered the situation of a young Jewish child born into a ghetto. This situation is no fault of their own and would hardly change if they "became at one with themselves," and has more to do with the politics of Nazism.
Finally, to switch back to your context as an educator, it seems that your district was quite out of the ordinary. Studies have shown that in the US, school districts with higher numbers of Black, Latino, or Native American students receive approximately $1,800 less per student compared to districts educating the fewest students of color (https://soeonline.american.edu/blog/inequality-in-public-school-funding/).
Thanks for engaging with my content!
Hi Matthew,
Thank you for responding… I want to address the school expenditures first… I’m writing in this little box on my phone without my glasses …, so I apologize for any spelling or grammar errors.
When it comes to school funding, it is necessary to be on the same page… Talking about the same terms and categories.
First of all, please get your figures from government databases not blogs … I’m going to send you the link that I pulled My figures from… Please give me an hour or so.
Second of all, your figures I am positive come from expenditures taken from What is called “the General Fund” (So each year in late July, each school District will get a chunk of money for each student that comes to that school As a part of the general fund … It pays for everything teachers, the books everything … which is generated from local tax basis or from state tax basis… That’s the money that you were speaking about… It is not the money I was speaking about, Matthew!
On the other hand I’m speaking about the supplemental, funding—-. Categoriical Funding … Look it up —- you can find it on Wikipedia … Students who fall into certain categories receive this money. Some school districts like Los Angeles school District is a total Title I school district so all the students get the money. … These student Categories Include, for example 1- underprivilege (Title I) 2- English language learners (EL Fund) 3- special education (SPED), etc ….money set aside by Congress for those students to help them increase their Educational and life opportunities… To level the playing field … Monies that go to those groups of students ONLY unless the whole school Or the whole district is Title I … If so, then all the students get iThe benefit of the funds … but it’s all based on lunch applications. Yes, you heard it right lunch applications yes yes yes go back and read it. It’s hard to believe, but that’s what it’s based on. If your parents Don’t make enough money then you get free lunch and that’s how the money is all allocated, Yep, Yep, Yep … Every single one of those application have to be Filled out sign, and For each school to get the money for the upcoming year …
Categorical funding is It’s way more money than “the general fund”! Categorical funding comes from the 1965 US Secondary and Elementary Act… (I might have the dates wrong and it has been re-authorized many times) It funds nationally 49,000+ schools with $16 billion/year, NOT counting state title one funding.
Next , You’re speaking racially and politically ….I’m talking about underprivileged students who by the way can also be white. In fact, I come from Appalachia and I can tell you that is the most underrepresented unfair environment for those poor white kids up in the mountains who get nothing and have had the government and everyone turned their back on them … just to let you know… A hillbilly elegy I’m not talking about…
Educational funding should not be about race only but about underprivileged status,… Because when you put underprivileged status in there, whites fail At the same Levels and rates As other underprivileged students, regardless of the race. Did you actually know that, Matthew?
But if you want to talk numbers and race …According to the St. Louis Federal Reserves report On no child left behind … (I’m going to send you the link) who used government statistics black students get $14,385 per student while we get 14,263… They got the number from the The National Center for educational statistics.. That Disport SKUs towards the black student is probably due to our gigantic cities with its Greater proportional representation of the black population
The funding figures I gave for the black and white student would be radically raised in the black category when including categorical funding since blacks are overly represented in the underprivileged category … Those Funding numbers for black students would soar above what white students receive … Those funds of $16 billion go proportionally more to black students … Since they are more represented in the underprivileged classes… As well as the other categorical areas.
What you did today by sending me that information is exactly what the left media does constantly … They don’t know what they’re talking about Or they know what they’re talking about and they purposely take things out of context .,,,only report a little bit of the information or they slant the information or they do shabby research like you did … What gets me is that? The left is supposed to be Made up of the best so when the best start doing the worst, we are lost And may be even doomed … Honestly I expect this shoddy Behavior from the right not from the left… Overtime I saw I was getting nowhere With the left because the college educated liberal I’m a part had become more Willing to be brainwashed, I don’t know any other way to put it— Which is why I left the Democratic Party… Being a researcher and thinker and someone who teaches Young people you should never make this mistake again…. To tell me that that’s what my school is doing when every single school in Los Angeles Unified School District 600,000 students Received the same type of funding Was insulting … You didn’t even take the time to even look At the research…. I don’t even think you can believe the word I said… I remember you making Really outlandish comments during the pandemic that caused me to retract my subscription. I took that misjudgment As youthful indiscretion, but and now I can see you’ve Seem to Have gotten no better I’m sorry to say… …. Although I do appreciate the way that you respectfully answered me.
Wasnt Malcolm X who said the danger for the black man is Not the Conservative, but the liberal.
I can acknowledge that I did not do a deep dive on public school funding in the US, so I defer to your accounting here. But I guess I'm still wondering what your point is? I don't see how this is relevant to my comment in this podcast. You're taking what I said completely out of context and replacing it with your own projections about what you think I meant (despite my attempt to clarify above).
I actually agree with you that education funding should be based on income/class and not on race, since racial affirmative action seems to me to be rather insulting and racist in implication (and I don't just mean racist against whites, I mean racist against POC). On the other hand, there's a long history of racial discrimination in the US, including red lining, which has a large and enduring impact on the tax base for local public school funding. I think some level of federal funding to offset these historical injustices is a just thing to do. That doesn't mean poor white kids in Appalachia don't also deserve extra funding, too.
Gifted education is a fairytale white parents made up to direct more money to their children following integration