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Bruce Kirchoff's avatar

Thanks Matt. I really enjoyed this summary. As a scientist and not a philosopher I found your summary of Schelling's thought to be quite helpful. When I looked into the philosophy of science as a graduate student I found Carnap, which is all they taught in the philosophy of science at the U of Michigan at that time. I found Goethe through Rudolf Steiner and spent a good deal of time trying to bring his ideas into modern science. The largest effect I had was in education, but that is a story for another time.

As a scientist I am less sanguine than you are about the hope for an organic science. There have been quite a few attempts at this and they tend to influence only the student's of the thought-leader. In my field, Rolf Sattler and his ideas of complementarity is a prime example (https://www.beyondwilber.ca/). He and his students pursed the idea of complementarity in quite a few publications and talks, but I am not aware of anyone other than his students who took up these ideas as a central aspect of their work. Sattler's ideas were influential on some of my work, but they were certainly not a central point of anything that I did. This, in my experience, has been the case will all of the "alternative/organic" biological ideas that I have seen develop in the past half century or more.

There may be one counter example. That is work in restoration ecology. Restoration ecologists have to take an organic, holistic approach to their discipline because it is the only approach that works. They do not spend much time on theorizing or expostulating on the origins of an organic science, they do their work, which requires an organic/holistic approach. This holistic approach should underlie all of ecology, and for some it does. There is a definite current of organic holism in much of ecology. You might look at the work of H. T. Odem, one of the most famous ecologists of his day, for an example of these currents (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28313830/).

If we ask why restoration ecology has produced a more acceptable holism than Sattler, I think we are faced with the fact that restoration ecologists are addressing something that every scientist recognizes as a problem. They address the problem of habitat restoration in a holistic way, and they get results. This is in contrast to Sattler's approach, which while it has greater intellectual merit than the other systems of thought he reacted against, had no practical application. As a scientist once commented on some of my work "That is interesting, what is it good for?" Unless the organic science addresses and provides a solution to some problem, I am doubtful that it every gain wide acceptance.

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Fantastic article again Matt. Really illuminating many important facets of the history of philosophy, really support how you put Kant (and the intellectual milieu as a whole) central, your distinction between mechanistic and organicist scientists and how Goethe fits in to all this. Happy to have found your work!

Hegel's additional question, regarding Schelling's idea of the a priori of Nature would be the following: Not only the Kantian "what must mind be such that nature could appear to it?", nor only the schellingian "what must nature be such that mind could emerge from it?", but also "what must metaphysics/logic be like so that nature is, so that mind could emerge from it?" these three modes of God (Logic-Nature-spirit) and their logic are then related to matters of phenomenology, politics, art, religion and more. The dialectical method of Hegel, to use your metaphor, is about that we can only swim back upstream (not just to nature but also to logic (which as you know is not merely A=A according to Hegel), because we have come downstream, and when we reach the very orginative top of the stream, we come to see that our discovery is nothing but a discovery of what we have ourselves created, that is, substance as subject. This dialectical procedure of negativity can in turn be flipped into positive abiding of speculative philosophy (unity of mysticism and science), based on unity of, e.g. thought & being, mind and heart, being and nothing etc. So no wonder we get the beauty of the Absolute Idea as the epitome of the logical mode of God, i.e. concept. Besides, on my own substack you can find a short article called "Who can philosophize" in which I write about the oldest systematic program of GI. Perhaps you would be interested to read it, just like you I find it an important document. I see Hegel's mature work as still being fundamentally in line with it, inclusive of its mythical nature.

One more thing, the critique you mentioned that Kierkegaard had about Hegel precisely mirrors the critique Marx had about Goethe! This idea that the duality of their pathetic daily lives (shack) persists while they (in this case Hegel & Goethe) are seen as being stuck in the fantasy of their creative projects.

Please understand that I do not want to say Schelling's project is reducible to Hegel. I do not believe so at all. I am especially interested in Schelling's Freiheitsschrift, since his point of departure is totally different than the one Hegel works with in his Logik, and Hegel did not adequately think it through, is my suspicion. Thanks for again for your work.

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